{"id":54655,"date":"2025-09-19T15:11:18","date_gmt":"2025-09-19T19:11:18","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/martinluther.ca\/?p=54655"},"modified":"2025-11-22T12:16:43","modified_gmt":"2025-11-22T17:16:43","slug":"interview-mit-vikarin-alice-rothgordt-von-jocelyn-sommerfeld","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/martinluther.ca\/de\/2025\/09\/interview-mit-vikarin-alice-rothgordt-von-jocelyn-sommerfeld\/","title":{"rendered":"Interview mit Vikarin Alice Rothgordt von Jocelyn Sommerfeld"},"content":{"rendered":"
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Vicar Alice presiding at MLC worship service on August 24, 2025<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

Vicar Alice Rothgordt joined the Martin Luther Church Ministry team in October 2024. She chose to spend one year working abroad before becoming ordained as a full-fledged Pastor in Germany. She has led church services, attended meetings, assisted with Dinner Church and confirmation classes, and visited many members of our congregation over the past 12 months. Her curiosity, openness, and strong work ethic have become an invaluable contribution to our church, especially during Pastor Annika\u2019s maternity leave.<\/p>\n

Before her official departure at the end of September, I sat down with Vicar Alice to share in reflecting on her journey to becoming a Vicar, her experiences at Martin Luther Church and in Canada, and her future wishes in her role as a Pastor.<\/p>\n

Growing up in Hamburg, Germany, she didn\u2019t initially strive to become a Pastor \u2013 though she does recall an early experience with church that piqued her interest. During family vacations as a child, her father always took her and her mother to see the churches in whatever area they visited. Though Alice had some experience with church \u2013 being Lutherans, her parents often took her to Sunday services, and she was baptized as an infant \u2013 she was curious as to what church was all about: \u201cThe church was always open for visitors but nothing was happening\u2026and I was always like \u2018Okay, what is actually happening there?\u2019\u201d<\/p>\n

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Vica Alice with Pastor Annika on Chirstmas Eve 2024<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

Her academic journey has certainly been varied. Her first career goal was to become a pilot because she was fascinated by aviation since she was a child. After high school, she went through an intense 3 month seminar to train to obtain a civil pilot\u2019s license with Lufthansa. Though she was passionate and worked hard, she learned that the program had a mandatory wait time of 4-5 years before becoming a pilot, during which time participants had to work to earn money. In the end, Alice wasn\u2019t prepared to wait that long, so with a heavy heart she quit the program: \u201cI was sad about that and felt disoriented because that was my goal \u2013 I trained so hard, I got fit and everything.\u201d<\/p>\n

Reeling from this sudden life change and dealing with parental pressure to get back on a path, she took part in an introductory army training program to still try to achieve a license as a pilot. When she took issue with the ethics of that program, she quit and subsequently took part in a German government-supported \u201cvolunteer year\u201d for about 10 months, where she chose to teach children sports like gymnastics and figure skating (which she herself enjoyed and experienced as a child). After the program finished, she switched topics and interned at a funeral home for a few months. It was here that her interest in theology began to really grow, largely due to the positive interactions she had with funeral directors and theologians: \u201cWe had great talks about spirituality and our faith, existential questions, deep topics, while we were at work. It was really nice and affected me deeply.\u201d While she considered going to university to study theology \u2013 a choice supported by a chance encounter at the funeral home from a pastor whom she knew from confirmation class \u2013 she initially felt daunted by the requirement of learning three ancient languages (ancient Greek, Latin, and Hebrew).<\/p>\n

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Vicar Alice with President Jocelyn Sommerfeld and Office Manager Marlena Mullar on August 24, 2025<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

At this point, Alice felt increasing pressure from her parents to obtain a university degree. Still with no clear direction, she switched topics again and decided, seemingly at random, to study law: \u201cI didn\u2019t want to study medicine like my mother, I didn\u2019t want to do science and study physics like my dad\u2026so I thought \u2018Okay, I want to do something with people, but kind of formal.\u2019 And I didn\u2019t learn about law in school, I didn\u2019t know what it was about\u2026so I pushed myself into law studies.\u201d In 2013, she left Hamburg and began studying law at Kiel University. She worked hard from the beginning and enjoyed the university experience, but after three semesters she discovered that law was not for her \u2013 for many reasons. While she made some good friends, she resented the antics and arrogant attitude of many of her peers, as well as the mindset of her professors: \u201d\u2026One of them [said] \u2018You\u2019re studying law \u2013 it\u2019s not about doing the right thing, it\u2019s about getting the right thing\u2019\u2026So I thought no, absolutely not \u2013 I\u2019m always about fair play and have high ethical standards, that people should treat each other well\u2026\u201d Between an increasingly depressing atmosphere and mountains of reading material, she no longer felt motivated and quit the program in 2015. However, not wishing to quit university entirely, she chose to switch into theology \u2013 a decision she didn\u2019t tell her parents, at least not initially. Alice worked hard in her studies, and in the end enjoyed the program and the people, who she described as much more \u2018down to earth\u2019 and \u2018humble\u2019.<\/p>\n

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Vicar Alice presiding on Christmas Eve 2024<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

After seven years, including an exchange semester in Vienna, she completed her theology studies in 2022. She was then required to gain practical experience through a church internship in an area of her choosing. Ready to explore new territory, she chose, perhaps surprisingly, to go from west Germany to east Germany: \u201c\u2026none of my colleagues want to go east because it\u2019s an ex-socialist zone, DDR and everything, and\u2026church wasn\u2019t valued there, because socialism and communism is not good with religion\u2026 I decided to go east because I wanted\u2026to change my perspective on things. [Because] I wanted to convince myself it\u2019s not the case, what the \u2018Westerners\u2019 are always saying about the \u2018Easterners\u2019, and vice versa.\u201d<\/p>\n

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Vicar Alice at MLC Christmas Eve 2024<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

With a continued wish to learn, she was sent by the church to a congregation in Ludwigslust. She respected the sense of determination they had in their faith, especially after all they endured as a religious institution during a time when church was considered opposition to the government: \u201c\u2026they thought \u2018we had those circumstances back then, but we\u2019re still here, and this is our thing still \u2013 we are church in the east\u2019.\u201d She also strongly admired her mentor and pastoral teacher in that congregation, who was constantly working but made sure to support Alice during her internship.<\/p>\n

Though as a Vicar she was technically qualified to become a pastor, she signed up for a program to do a year abroad with a congregation outside of Germany. She had visited the southern United States on a road trip in 2020, and was curious to know more about church work in the US and Mexico. For two months, she was convinced she would go to Mexico City (she even has relatives there), but one day suddenly that opportunity was no longer available. Her next option was in Washington, DC \u2013 however, a new pastor was starting there already, not to mention visa issues and the current US climate. She was then given the option of going to a few different places in Canada, and finally in the battle of Ottawa vs Toronto, Toronto was chosen.<\/p>\n

Moving from a small town in Ludwigslust to a huge city like Toronto was a major transition, though perhaps in hindsight not entirely unexpected, as she described an interesting vision-like dream she had during the first weeks of her internship in east Germany: \u201c\u2026I was dreaming I was looking at [the church] in Ludwigslust, and I was going behind it and there was a huge skyline of a big city\u2026Like in the middle of nowhere there was just skyscrapers, like \u2018pow\u2019! And maybe this was kind of a sign. \u2026I didn\u2019t know at the beginning of my pastoral training in Germany that I would go to Toronto. \u2026Maybe now it makes sense.\u201d<\/p>\n

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Vicar Alice at MLC BBQ Outing to Wienecke Farm June 6, 2025<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

However, when she first came to Martin Luther Church in 2024, she wasn\u2019t sure what to expect. She knew it would be a challenge to take on extra responsibilities without regular supervision from a mentor during Pastor Annika\u2019s maternity leave, while still being careful only to do as much work as her qualifications allow. Now after having completed almost a full year here, she is grateful for the experience and especially to the congregation for welcoming her and helping to provide things like housing and a bike for travelling. She went on to state: \u201cI\u2019m still amazed by this year\u2026I\u2019m also a little proud of myself, because in the beginning I didn\u2019t know. I was sitting in the plane thinking \u2018What is it like? What are they expecting? I don\u2019t know Canada\u2026and this congregation \u2013 half Canadian, half German, bilingual services, language barrier\u2026\u2019 [But] it all turned out well! [I\u2019m thankful for this] opportunity that the congregation trusted me, and that council trusted me, and my mentor Annika \u2013 they all trusted in what I can bring. I really liked to serve here.\u201d<\/p>\n

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vicar Alice;s deviotion at MLC BBQ Outing to Wienecke Farm June 6, 2025<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

She described a few of her most memorable experiences at our church: for instance, she was very interested in the concept of Dinner Church \u2013 she \u201cdidn\u2019t know church could look like that\u201d, being a less formal, less strict, and more inviting format than a traditional church service. She loved experiencing this type of program, and hopes to bring it back to Germany in her work. She also very much enjoyed the baptism of Philippe Koo Tze Mew, after which she said she gained a better understanding of what this church might have felt like in previous years: \u201c\u2026people were telling me \u2018oh it was so great, we were one big ethnic family, and every Sunday the church was full\u2019\u2026[and] when we were in the service with Philippe Koo Tze Mew\u2019s baptism [I think] I got it a little bit…\u201d She feels grateful to have experienced the \u201cfamily\u201d feeling of our church.<\/p>\n

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Vicar Alice with Pastor Katharina Moeller at Himmelfahrtsgottesdient St. Geroge’s Ev. Lutheran Church<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

In planning for the future of Martin Luther Church, she posits that we have opportunities to grow while still being true to our German roots: \u201cI think this congregation has the chance to merge with the neighbourhood, to do good things here, and also be proud still of German heritage. To have tradition, but not ignoring that the old times are over, [to] say \u2018Okay, we have a German signature but we are here for the people\u2019\u2026 You have the lake here, you have Mimico, you have the city, you have the other congregations \u2013 there is a lot of potential that I see.\u201d She states that while it is necessary to know what the church can and cannot do, we should not be afraid to try new things. As an example, she spoke about a \u2018baptism festival\u2019 she was involved with when she did her internship in east Germany \u2013 where church members gathered outside and offered baptisms to passersby, offering an opportunity for the public to connect with the church. People in the area were initially skeptical, but it led to great conversations and people being more open to learn about church and Christian faith.<\/p>\n

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Vicar Alice presiding at baptism of Philippe Koo Tze Mew August 3, 2025<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

She is thankful to have had this experience in Canada, and described a type of mindset that she feels in this country compared to Europe, deepened further through the stories of immigration she heard from people at Martin Luther Church \u2013 the sense that those who immigrate here want to \u2018make it\u2019: \u201c\u2026you can get quite well when you\u2019re ambitious\u2026you can really create something, you know? And this is what I really like \u2013 it\u2019s kind of like the \u2018American Dream\u2019. There is no guarantee that you can stay, but if you behave well and if you work well and a lot, you can achieve a lot\u2026\u201d And while she does have to return to Germany, she described with fondness the connections she has made with not only our congregation but other congregations, and the outpouring of support for her to stay in Canada: \u201c\u2026when you\u2019re connecting with the people, when you\u2019re open-minded and put a lot of effort into that, and when you really ask for what the congregation needs\u2026you can do a lot, gain a lot from that.\u201d<\/p>\n

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Vicar Alice providing the blessing to 2025 Confirmands, Pentecost 2025<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

During her time here, she also learned a lot about the German diaspora in Canada, as well as the experience of \u2018ethnic\u2019 churches in general: \u201cI visited so many ethnic churches \u2013 Hungarian presbyterian, Greek orthodox\u2026and they all have the same problem \u2013 shrinking, generational gap, merging into the Canadian society.\u201d While she discovered a sense of identity loss that people in these churches share, she also understands that times are changing. In her perspective as a German, she posits that traditions will have to change in order to support growth: \u201c\u2026we live in different times. It\u2019s not that church is a bad thing, but you can\u2019t keep all of that tradition for generations and generations because people live in\u2026such a flexible society where you have so many opportunities. You don\u2019t have to stick with Germans.\u201d<\/p>\n

On the other hand, she reflected that she can now better understand what it feels like to come to Canada from Germany: \u201c\u2026in the beginning when I was coming here all by myself, I was definitely glad about having this church and also hanging out at Dimpflmeier \u2013 like, this is German! And I was drinking my coffee there and feeling so German in Canada because I didn\u2019t know where to go in Etobicoke. \u2026Also to have this feeling that you are allowed to be here \u2013 because you are German, and this caf\u00e9 is German. Like in the beginning I was a little bit shy, sticking to what I\u2019m used to \u2026and it\u2019s a completely natural behaviour of human beings \u2013 because when you are alone in a completely strange environment, the life saver is that you stick to what you know.\u201d Now, she is proud of herself at the progress she has made \u2013 from being daunted at the prospect of navigating through a big city, to recently feeling like she knows the streets of Toronto. When she briefly went back to Germany in February, she was surprised to find that she really missed Canada: \u201c\u2026it doesn\u2019t matter where you are in life, but when you spend time in another country or another place, it really becomes a part of you\u2026 Toronto feels a little bit like home\u201d.<\/p>\n

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Vicar Alice presiding at MLC on March 16, 2025 with Holy Communion<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

She also had opportunities to explore outside of Toronto, and described a few highlights \u2013 including exploring Quebec: enjoying the European style of Quebec City, the city of Montreal, time spent at Mont Tremblant surrounded by nature and birds. She also visited Tobermory and surrounding areas, and was particularly fascinated by Indigenous history and folklore. In general, she remarked on the friendliness of Canadians \u2013 especially when strangers exhibit kindness and are willing to help each other: \u201cWhen I got in trouble in winter when I had problems with the tire, it was snowing already and I was calling Tim like \u2018It\u2019s snowing, I can\u2019t see a thing!\u2019 \u2013 there was somebody stopping and saying \u2018Oh, are you in trouble?\u2019 and helping me. That was great.\u201d She described the general warm-hearted mentality of the Canadian public as something she will miss when she leaves.<\/p>\n

As she continues in her soon-to-be role as a Pastor in Germany, she is conscious of the checkered past of the church, and how, in her view, the church needs to clean up its image: \u201c\u2026if people don\u2019t trust us anymore, [and] I can definitely understand in parts why it is like that, you have to break the stereotype\u2026not [saying] \u2018oh you\u2019re full of sin, you failed\u2026\u2019 Just be supportive, ask what the people need\u2026[and] very gently but constantly [say] \u2018we\u2019re still here, and we have a great thing to offer in this Christian faith.\u2019 \u2026having a living, fluid faith, and transport[ing] that in the new world \u2013 that is my opinion or mindset of being a clergy.\u201d She also hopes to be a role model to others, to speak as a non-stereotypical Pastor and to showcase how faith can create positive change in one\u2019s life. She described how her life hasn\u2019t always been easy \u2013 feeling insecure and being strongly impacted by her parents\u2019 divorce \u2013 but how her faith in God has supported her in tough times: \u201cI know how it feels when you feel alone, and when you think there is nobody to help. And to get out of that\u2026you can\u2019t fall deeper than in God\u2019s hands, that is something that I experienced. And this is something that my faith is built up, that\u2026it\u2019s really truly God that is reaching out to you and saying \u2018Okay, I am here my child, I will keep you and I will not let you down\u2019. \u2026I was scared a lot in the past of things, but I am not anymore. [When] you have rough life experiences\u2026you value and appreciate your faith even more because it was there and it\u2019s still there, and it keeps you growing.\u201d<\/p>\n

In closing, she gave a word of advice: \u201cIf you have trust in God, in your faith, in Jesus Christ, and in yourself, nothing can go wrong. I think people underestimate what kind of power they actually have, if they get in any situation that in the beginning is like odd or not comfortable or strange \u2013 you can make the most out of it if you trust yourself a little more. \u2026[It\u2019s] a great achievement\u2026to be always curious and to trust yourself. And to trust also the ability that you get used to things, although you\u2019re frustrated sometimes, although things are not working out, although you don\u2019t know what people want from you, still believe in yourself. Maybe this is my last sentence \u2013 to know what you\u2019re good at and what you\u2019re not good at\u2026to be honest, and to be honest with others\u2026\u201d<\/p>\n

I also spoke to Alice about her favourite foods (as a vegetarian, Chili sin carne and spaghetti arrabiata), making her own food (including German bread, because she missed it), her bucket list places to visit (Venice, Italy and Parga, Greece), favourite activities to relax (swimming and sports, for example), plus her time volunteering at an animal shelter in Mississauga and her love of dogs (adopt, don\u2019t shop!)<\/p>\n

We wish Vicar Alice Rothgordt all the best upon her return to Germany, and for her ordination in November 2025. Hopefully we will one day see her again in Canada!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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